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[Mikalef875]

Ok, SO I'm fairly new to this game but I've noticed that some competitors like to deliberately flood routes with say 4, 5, 6 times the routes actual demand and then deliberately slash prices by upto 90%. How are you supposed to stay profitable when you get idiots like this who because of their sheer size can afford to keep this up. I have played in other online Airline simulations where this sort of practice is frowned upon and the airlines involved are forced by an anti monopoly board to reduce their offering to a maximum 200% demand. Is there an anti competition rules in this game or is it just a free for all?

[adityapratama]

Its a long time problem in AE tbh

[ar157]

i personally don't see what the fuss is about flooding, it happens in the real world, if a new start-up is on your routes, you'd obviously kill them by flooding.

[767holic]

i personally don't see what the fuss is about flooding, it happens in the real world, if a new start-up is on your routes, you'd obviously kill them by flooding.

i absolutely agree

[Mikalef875]

i personally don't see what the fuss is about flooding, it happens in the real world, if a new start-up is on your routes, you'd obviously kill them by flooding.

In the real world this doesnt happen - the anti monopolies board as well as aviation Authorities are there to stop it to a degree - obviously!

[ar157]

err.. QF is dumping capacity on domestic routes because of VA.... oh wait i must be dreaming

[Mikalef875]

ERRRR - So what you cite one instance of where this is happening. NO airline in the real world can afford to do it for long and as QF are already in finacial trouble it wont be long before they stop dumpoing seats doesnt win customers its the service and price that counts

[ar157]

FR and U2 dumping capacity everywhere? ok put it this way. if you owned an airline irl, some new startup is in your home base, your gonna let it survive because its very unfair and risk your own airline's stability, smart isn't it?

And 1 instance is good enough, it proves the point that its happens in the real world. It's not anti-competitive if its preventing anyone from starting up, they're merely defending themselves.

[bolli]

ERRRR - So what you cite one instance of where this is happening. NO airline in the real world can afford to do it for long and as QF are already in finacial trouble it wont be long before they stop dumpoing seats doesnt win customers its the service and price that counts

Actually. You're completely wrong.

Color Air went bankrupt because SAS was Frequency Flooding.
And after it went bankrupt? SAS dumped capacity on those routes by a significant margin.

[ar157]

didn't germany make EK have to have fares higher than those of LH and they could only fly to 4 german ports? govs protecting airlines aren't out of the ordinary

[pseudoswede]

UA also dumped capacity against Independence Air's routes.

[Mikalef875]

I'm not saying it doesnt happen, but Govt's and the Aviation Authorities and certainly in the EU the Anti Monopiles Commission will and can step in if airlines are using unfair tactics to put other airlines out of business. I've read BA's annual report and they have concern with Emirates and Ethiad but not because those airlines can dump capacity on routes, but because they aggressively promote their product and service with sponsorship of big events like F1. I'm all for competition but when you have idiots flying say a 400 seat a day route with 4000 seats at say $120 price when the default is $360 then you can't really match because you'll ultimately end up making a huge loss and dont even get the pax on your aircraft if you dont drop the prices significantly, So maybe thinking about it a bit more in depth it isn't right to stop the competition but certainly I think that maybe there should be some sort of system in place to stop these stupidly low flight costs. I know what some will say well Ryanair/Easy Jet sell £1 seats - yes they do, but then you add up all the charges that go on top and in alot of cases you'll end up paying more than were you to chose BA or LH for example , and its the prices that airlines can charge I think needs to be addressed maybe more than the seat numbers on a route...

[jleonnn]

The best way to start an airline, I realise is to start flying domestically flying from a big city to smaller ones where its practically empty. My airline, TransAmerican, has started flying on most major routes already but surprisingly, I still hold a monopoly on the smaller routes I started out with with 737-200s, though they have long since been phased out.

[Boeing Fan]

didn't germany make EK have to have fares higher than those of LH and they could only fly to 4 german ports? govs protecting airlines aren't out of the ordinary

Another example of an airline that is supported by its government look at Air France.