When to Replace Airplanes
#1
Posted 23 February 2012 - 02:12 PM
#2
Posted 23 February 2012 - 02:33 PM
In real life though, 15 years for an aircraft is not that much. For example: UA 14,8; DL 15,5; AA 14,8 (MD80 Fleet 19,8!!)... (average fleet age).
#3
Posted 23 February 2012 - 02:58 PM
Thank you. I will replace my planes when they hit 15 years old, and yes in real life it is much different. I know AA did have the oldest fleet in the industry at one point in recent history. I know some of their MD80s are almost 30 years old. It's pretty crazy.Good question...i usually start to replace them as the get past 15 years, as maintenance coast will grow by a lot. And new and more efficient aircraft will be available...and it also helps you to get a good reputation as the age of your fleet counts as well.
In real life though, 15 years for an aircraft is not that much. For example: UA 14,8; DL 15,5; AA 14,8 (MD80 Fleet 19,8!!)... (average fleet age).
#4
Posted 23 February 2012 - 03:09 PM
So when an aircraft hits the 10th year of service, i start to order new ac and replace the entire fleet one by one, it takes a while.
But i've made a mistake, i leased two Airbus A310 for 10 years, when the contract expires they will be 16 years old...too old for me, i may cancel the lease earlier...
#5
Posted 23 February 2012 - 05:48 PM
Yeah AA has early-built 767s and 757s but so does DL and UA...
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#6
Posted 23 February 2012 - 05:52 PM
#7
Posted 23 February 2012 - 08:02 PM
if you leased them for 10 year the should be 10 year old
Unless he leased them from the used market and they were 6 years old when he leased them...
I liked TW and it's gone. NW, and it's gone. CO, and it's gone. Pray I don't like you.
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#8
Posted 23 February 2012 - 09:12 PM
I think it is a reasonable one assuming the aircraft is not outdated and inefficient compared to other aircraft similar. Also I've learned you can just buy the airplane from the lessor and then sell it right after, instead of terminating your lease, and it not just saves you the termination fee but you can come out with a few million extra. I've only done this with airplanes no older than nine years but it may work with older aircraft too.But thats just my opinion, in the end it's your choice. You have to figure out how it works the best for you.
So when an aircraft hits the 10th year of service, i start to order new ac and replace the entire fleet one by one, it takes a while.
But i've made a mistake, i leased two Airbus A310 for 10 years, when the contract expires they will be 16 years old...too old for me, i may cancel the lease earlier...
#9
Posted 24 February 2012 - 06:38 AM
thats how it wasUnless he leased them from the used market and they were 6 years old when he leased them...
#10
Posted 24 February 2012 - 10:25 PM
I think it is a reasonable one assuming the aircraft is not outdated and inefficient compared to other aircraft similar. Also I've learned you can just buy the airplane from the lessor and then sell it right after, instead of terminating your lease, and it not just saves you the termination fee but you can come out with a few million extra. I've only done this with airplanes no older than nine years but it may work with older aircraft too.
I've started leasing aircraft with a ten-year lease to lower the monthly leasing costs then, when I'm ready to replace them, buying them from the lessor and immediately reselling them for the same reason as you give. Of course, for whatever reason, I often tend to start replacing planes at five years of age or so.
#11
Posted 24 February 2012 - 10:33 PM
Kelvie Smith
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#12
Posted 27 February 2012 - 01:32 AM
#13
Posted 27 February 2012 - 06:47 PM
For example, my 747-400s will be flying for about 14-16 years and I will replace them with 777-300ER. My 737-400s are currently being replaced as they reach the end of their 10 year leases with new A320-200s. I currently have no replacement plans for the 757-200s, they will be flying for at least 15 years. My 767-300ERs will be replaced by 787-8s, so they will be flying for 20-22 years (although I'm evaluating the A330-200, which can be used to replace the oldest 767s). I will be replacing the MD-11s and A340s fairly quickly, after they reach about 7-8 years age with new 777-200ER aircraft.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 12:56 PM
#15
Posted 06 April 2012 - 10:01 PM
the Tu-334-100 fleet is still young and dont need replacements. I have an 20 year old A320-200 who will be replaced soon and the A319-100LR is still young 1 to 6 years old average. anyway I think 15 years is what I would call a ( time to replace) age for a plane.
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Posted 07 April 2012 - 07:07 AM
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Posted 07 April 2012 - 01:59 PM
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Posted 08 April 2012 - 09:52 AM
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