44 replies to this topic

[SirMoo]

So... Hubbing is a bit crazy. When you're at 15 hubs you've pretty much lost all realism.

For the sake of realism airport hubbing should be limited to 5-7 cities while 'focus cities' those you're maxing out on gates for a non-hub should be limited to the ownership of 4 gates.

Is there anything planned to prevent this over expansion of airlines in one of the most unrealistic manners in the game?

[Brando]

i agree i wish there was a limit of hubs because people have 50- 8 gate hubs in Open worlds, you can have up to 200 gates a airport why not have 5 massive hubs? and also something has to be done about flooding routes

[sviridovt]

I actually dont know what position I taking on it. On one hand I hate having to operate 10+ hubs to stay competitive, however on the other hand forcing airlines to be a certain size kinda limits the ways that people can play the game, the bottom line is, its a game made for fun and enjoyment

[SirMoo]

I actually dont know what position I taking on it. On one hand I hate having to operate 10+ hubs to stay competitive, however on the other hand forcing airlines to be a certain size kinda limits the ways that people can play the game, the bottom line is, its a game made for fun and enjoyment

And some of us enjoy realism. Thus we play realistic worlds. Those who want to play unrealistically with 30+ (I wish this number was an exaggeration) hubs can simply play an open world.

[txaggie]

With the mergers America, airlines are operating 8 or so hubs nowadays, with a number of "focus cities"

Perhaps it would be helpful to allow operating something like 8 or 10 gates without having to open a hub...and then limiting hubs to 10 or so. Of course, that's unrealistic in and of itself, the true "problem" is it's too easy to make money and too easy to acquire gates.

[lake]

Yeah. Places like SMF which in real life have 25 gates have 75 in the game. We need to make the gates the real amount.

[Superman]

Well I have only 4 hubs

[sviridovt]

I have 9, but I would be happy to only have like 6 or 7

[bolli]

Well, i have 19, but thats because i fly from them to everywhere possible - i mean EVERYWHERE. I fly from several of them to every airport in Brazil and more in south america.
Also, people in real life transfer in a focus city, wheras in AE this is not the case - hubs are the only way to do that.
So this is why i am against this - if you want realism, run your airline realistically and ignore the unrealistic ones

[Superman]

To be honest I agree with bolli

[un1]

It's unrealistic to have non-real world regulation. Yuxi said he might greatly increase hub costs to make this unprofitable to do though.

[SirMoo]

With the mergers America, airlines are operating 8 or so hubs nowadays, with a number of "focus cities"

Perhaps it would be helpful to allow operating something like 8 or 10 gates without having to open a hub...and then limiting hubs to 10 or so. Of course, that's unrealistic in and of itself, the true "problem" is it's too easy to make money and too easy to acquire gates.

When was the last time you looked at AA's hub list? The hubs are New York, Los Angeles, Dallas/Fort Worth, Chicago O’Hare, and Miami. American Eagle also has one in San Juan and La Guardia, but it's not uncommon for the minor airlines to pick up under served markets to increase their funds apart from their parent company.

So, AA has 5 which is still within my 5-7 realistic number. Even including San Juan and La Guardia thats 7... within my number. Over 7 is unrealistic. CO/UA will have 10 combined airlines, but there is massive speculations that some of those are being dropped.

I think you should buy hub slots. Airports should be limited.

[SirMoo]

http://www.aa.com/i1...n/facts/amr.jsp

Hit quote and not edit. Whoops.

[Superman]

It's unrealistic to have non-real world regulation. Yuxi said he might greatly increase hub costs to make this unprofitable to do though.

OMG UN1 IS BACK!!!

[SirMoo]

OMG UN1 IS BACK!!!

Have anything to say thats on topic? Else go away.

[Mr Tree]

It's unrealistic to have non-real world regulation. Yuxi said he might greatly increase hub costs to make this unprofitable to do though.

I like the idea, as long as it doesn't kill small airlines.

OMG UN1 IS BACK!!!

Yay! A profile comment may be more on topic though.

[sviridovt]

It's unrealistic to have non-real world regulation. Yuxi said he might greatly increase hub costs to make this unprofitable to do though.

how about we stop picking on large airlines making it impossible for them to operate virtually putting a cap on how big an airline could be. and instead make the game harder for everyone so then if you get to the top, well then you earned it

[SirMoo]

how about we stop picking on large airlines making it impossible for them to operate virtually putting a cap on how big an airline could be. and instead make the game harder for everyone so then if you get to the top, well then you earned it

Some of us, a large number, WANT to play realistic. If you don't, simply play in an open world. I want the choices I make for my airline to actually matter, not just run in easy mode the whole time. Quit whining about realistic features that SHOULD be implemented (and that the devs want as well) and play open worlds. The game does not even represent real world big airlines. Money is too easy to get. I want a challenge... Only way I can do that is hub airports under 1 million pax...

[sviridovt]

Some of us, a large number, WANT to play realistic. If you don't, simply play in an open world. I want the choices I make for my airline to actually matter, not just run in easy mode the whole time. Quit whining about realistic features that SHOULD be implemented (and that the devs want as well) and play open worlds. The game does not even represent real world big airlines. Money is too easy to get. I want a challenge... Only way I can do that is hub airports under 1 million pax...

There is a reason why I play in a realistic world, and I am not saying we shouldnt make the game harder, I am saying we should stop making it impossible for large airlines to operate and instead make it hard for every airline to grow in the first place

[txaggie]

SirMoo, Delta has major operations at Atlanta, Detroit, Minneapolis, Salt Lake City, JFK, LaGuardia and while they've been hit by the merger and economy they have smaller operations, but still hub activities, at Cincinatti and Memphis.

That doesn't include their major operations in Tokyo and to a lesser degree Amsterdam.

They have nearly 100 departures a day from the likes of Boston, Los Angeles, etc...


In this game, if you want more than 40 someodd daily, you've got to set up a hub.

"8 or so" or 7 or whatever...I'm not disagreeing there's a lot of airlines running operations that wouldn't sustainable in the real world, but I agree with sviridot. There are more realistic ways of limiting growth without a hard cap on "hubs" (fwiw, "hubs" as most think about them as, are not always necessarily discernible entities in the real world from a "focus city" or what have you.")

Make it harder to grow, make terminal expansion helluva lot more expensive. They can cost somewhere in the billions in the real world.