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The above image shows pages 16 and 17 of the Air Canadien information book (English-language edition) for the third quarter of 2003. Shown on page 16 are seat maps for the DC-10-40 (Q3 of 2003 was the last time that type was featured in any Air Canadien marketing material, as it was retired in August of that year), and the original configuration as well as the retrofitted configuration of the 777-200ER. At the time this was printed, the 777-200A had just been retired from the fleet, and five 777-200ERs remained in the non-retrofitted configuration until early 2004. Page 17 shows a seat map for the 747-400 and an advertisement for the new Air Canadien First Class.
The new lie-flat First Class product was introduced in 2001, replacing the outdated recliner seats (visible on the non-retrofitted 777-200ER seat map). Along with this, for the first time in the airline's history, Business Class was introduced on all widebody aircraft, thought retrofitting was not complete until 2004. This Business product was heavily inspired by British Airways' Club World - introduced a year earlier - yet provided significantly more privacy and a longer (albeit narrower) bed.
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Economy up top in a 747? Does anyone do that? Figured that would be first class all the way.
wow!!
have never seen a 2-5-2 config though lol
2-5-2 was the dominant config in the DC-10, and used to be standard in the 777 before AVOD was introduced, cause the entertainment boxed can only supply three seats so 3-3-3 became the standard option. This only has channel-based IFE (no VOD) so the 777s have a 2-5-2 layout.
Economy up top in a 747? Does anyone do that? Figured that would be first class all the way.
It has been done, for example EVA had their 744s delivered with Y on the upper deck, and many 747s were also converted to that config after being resold (for example Transaero filled half the upper deck with Y and half with J). Air Canadien's are all delivered new obviously.
Looks good, although have to say it is a very modern cabin layout for 2003.
Otherwise I like the design and layout, looks really good!
Looks good, although have to say it is a very modern cabin layout for 2003.
Otherwise I like the design and layout, looks really good!
I disagree, for example if you look at the BA First and Business class seats of the time they're very similar to what I have here.
I disagree, for example if you look at the BA First and Business class seats of the time they're very similar to what I have here.
The issue is that British Airways isn't the norm; rather, it's the exception. Air Canada's flat beds on the 767 and 777 weren't even introduced until 2006 as part of Project XM. Delta, for example, continued to use cradle chairs for their BusinessElite product until about 2010. Even Continental, who launched their lie-flat BusinessFirst product, didn't do so until the mid-2000s. And the worst offender, American, couldn't say they offered all lie-flats until last year.
Your current seat map, with walls, dividers, and spacing, is reminiscent of the Next Generation Club World product, launched in 2006. Although a few years may seem like a small difference when it comes to these products, it made all the difference in the leap from recliners to flatbeds.
Are you vaguely in the correct era? Yes. Did British Airways begin offering lie-flats in 2000? Yes, although they didn't look like this. Is this business class product accurate for 2003? Not in the slightest.
The issue is that British Airways isn't the norm; rather, it's the exception. Air Canada's flat beds on the 767 and 777 weren't even introduced until 2006 as part of Project XM. Delta, for example, continued to use cradle chairs for their BusinessElite product until about 2010. Even Continental, who launched their lie-flat BusinessFirst product, didn't do so until the mid-2000s. And the worst offender, American, couldn't say they offered all lie-flats until last year.
Your current seat map, with walls, dividers, and spacing, is reminiscent of the Next Generation Club World product, launched in 2006. Although a few years may seem like a small difference when it comes to these products, it made all the difference in the leap from recliners to flatbeds.
Are you vaguely in the correct era? Yes. Did British Airways begin offering lie-flats in 2000? Yes, although they didn't look like this. Is this business class product accurate for 2003? Not in the slightest.
BA being the exception doesn't mean that no other airline could have followed their example of turn-of-the-century interior updates. Also, the comparison to Delta, Continental, American, etc is completely invalid - US legacy carriers were lagging behind pretty much everyone else starting in the mid-1990s and this has only gotten worse since then in terms of long-haul premium product. I don't know how you can say that this business class product is 'not accurate for 2004 in the slightest' when BA's business class of the time was also completely different from anything that had previously been offered. I never said this was meant to be an exact copy of any Club World iteration, it's a different product from anything offered at the time.
wow!!
have never seen a 2-5-2 config though lol